Friday, August 10, 2007

Update - August 10, 2007 - I hope you have a bucket

Please Note: My home computer is on the frits/a piece of crap. Therefore, I can not post a picture like I wanted. So, please imagine a bottle of Pepto Bismol, like i had planned.

The Baldwins

The audience waits with breathless anticipation/a bottle of Pepto Bismol (or a bottle of Gin if you’re Jacqueline) to see if Danny will catch his ex-babysitter/ex-wife/current fiancée in bed with Jamie. Walking into the house looking for his family and wondering if his son has changed his mind about dinner, he comes face to face with his topless post coital son. Danny (in his BEST London accent EVER) apologizes all over himself for entering the house and it is painful to watch Jamie try to lie about where Frankie is and why he is still at home and clearly fresh from bed*.

Later, after some close calls – Danny sits on the couch where Frankie’s purse is hiding, he almost goes upstairs to the bathroom - Jamie gets Frankie’s mobile up to her while Danny tries to call her from the living room. She calls Danny and pretends to be at the flat – this makes no sense - Danny tells J-boy that they gotta go.

They have gotten away with it.

Danny and Jamie arrive at the flat. Frankie is not there. Danny starts to make dinner and finally Frankie arrives. During a moment alone, Jamie urges Frankie to tell Danny what is going on. No, not right now. They all have a toast to La Familla – Frankie looks like she could give birth on set. Really, they should have written that pregnancy into the show because why not make it even more perverted. What is holding them back?

During the family spag-bol dinner night – but before the rousing game of Boggle, Danny tells Frankie what Liam told him at the factory – I guess Gibralter is minging – as they say – because Frankie doesn’t fancy getting married there. Whatever.

After the never-ending dinner – and after they all remember what Jamie was like as a little boy - Frankie steals Jamie’s keys while he is hugging his father making sure she can deliver them to Jamie later. When she does, she starts behaving like this is all a game. Jamie is having none of it. He either dates him mom properly or not at all!

Then they go inside together. I guess they are gonna do it.

*OK, this is what I find just plain stupid. Any reasonable young man who is sleeping with his step-mother should know that if you want to get your dad out of the house just tell him that you have a girl upstairs. You get a pat on the back and dad is out the door. Why didn’t the writers go down that route, rather than make us suffer this idiotic conversation.

The Peacocks

This evening at the Peacock house, Claire is getting ready to give Freddy a bath when Bev bounds down the stairs and I think she is sober – but not for long. Guess what, she has already given Freddie a bath and he is already asleep. Bless his massive head. Claire made Bev a cup of tea but Jacqueline – I mean Bev- says she wanted a gin, big shock.

Basically Claire doesn’t like it. She and Ashley hit the pub where they talk about Christening young Freddy (there is not enough holy water in the whole of England to sprinkle on this kid’s melon). Lovely. When they get back – and this is hysterical – Bev is awake, drunk, clutching Fred’s ashes and talking to Freddy who she has woken up “for company.” Great. Bev jumps up to make Claire more tea. Claire drinks so much tea, I don’t know why she isn’t in the bathroom 24/7.

Bev has heard a bit of the Christening conversation and has already planned to take over. Claire is obviously not pleased.*

*The interesting thing about Bev taking over at Claire and Ashley’s house is that this is exactly why Shelly left the Rovers. She knew that Bev would take over. Smartly played, Corrie writers.

The Battersbys

Ginger Chezney is worried that his mother is playing away and has confided in Fiz and Kirk. Fiz tries to tell him not to worry. Cilla comes home and Les comes down the stairs with the red negligee he bought her – it looks like he bought it at Dev’s corner shop. Cilla is grateful, but later, rejects his advances.

The Rovers

Liz asks Vern to be the Pot man. Steve insists on call him the “cellar man.” I thought Liz was saying “pump man” and that Steve was correcting her because of the unfortunate word “pump” coming out of Liz’s mouth.

Vern proves himself to be as lazy as everyone knew he was – even lazier than Jack Duckworth. He does one job and then Liz finds him in the back yard just before last orders. Well done, Vern.

Hailey, Roy and Becky

They have cashed out at the café and the till is a fiver over. Tyrone’s fiver. Hailey and Roy convince Becky to return Tyrone’s money, which she does with some humour – or she may try to knife Tyrone, we aren’t sure.

Meanwhile, Roy, ever the man of science, tries to prove that the act of mastication has nothing to do with coordination. Is he wrong or right – you be the judge
He is chewing gum and building a house of cards – is that the symbol for the episode or what?


Anonymous said...

With all the shenanagins going on to keep Danny from discovering that Jamie is sleeping with his step-mother, I began to wonder if Georges Feydeau wrote that episode. I half-expected the vicar to pop out of the closet with a hooker in tow.

Becky should explain to Roy that it isn't that chewing gum helps her work, it's that it keeps her from going back to METH!

Westcoast fan said...

Great update! Having Frankie actually pregnant would really have been the icing on the cake.

The sight of Bev hugging Fred, knocking back a gin and being kept company by a small wailing baby was priceless.

I think Vern was doing something surreptitious out in the back - what was that flat metal thing he kept picking up.

Jamie is obviously spending too much time in the Rovers; he is not the buff lad he once was. I'm feeling sorrier for Danny by the minute. He is going to be, as they say, gutted.

I didn't know the Brits said 'whizz'! My ex always used to say that, too. Ah, memories (well, not really, he still does).

Jacqueline said...

I would like to state that Glacia is *not* a gin soaked booze hound.

She is a *vodka* soaked booze hound.

Anonymous said...

Vernon looks to be the Rover's second coming of Jack Duckworth, was glad Steve said what I was thinking. Ironically this makes Steve the equivalent of his old nemesis Alec Gilroy who used to have to chase Jack to get back to work on a regular basis. For a minute there I thought Vern was reading a racing form with his torch out back, would be vintage Jack that.


S. Poole

Anonymous said...

Excellent update, Debbie!

Unfortunately, you cannot make the Danny/Jamie/Frankie storyline make sense.

Jamie's the one who was all over Frankie, while she refused his advances. The worm has turned.

But suddenly, Jamie's having qualms about this... he wants Danny to know.

All I can say is "Whatever."

This entire storyline may as well have been written in Farsi.


Michigander Fan

Anonymous said...

In other news,

1. Someone (John?) keeps pointing out the spot-on stuff they have Bev do, and THAT was spot-on. Waking up the baby to have "company". Yup.

2. I don't think Cilla's cheating - they'd show us (they're showing us the Baldwin trainwreck, after all). Someone said the mam-doc might have found a lump. That makes more sense than her playing around.

And, in the "let's see how we can destroy our small businesses" dept...

Becky. Meth. Excellent hire, Roy! (Yeah, I know it was Hailey's fault. Still.)

And Steve, who ought to know better, hiring the laziest man in the UK.

Michigander Fan

Anonymous said...

Hey, was anyone else expecting Norris to poke his nose out while Frankie and Jamie were playing tonsil hockey in the middle of the Street?

Surely that would not go unnoticed...

Michigander Fan

AMAI said...

Okay, re Frankie/Jamie plotline. I know chances are most of you guys won't agree with me, but hear me out. I've given this some thought.

1. Frankie's role in Jamie's life did not begin as his stepmother, but as his babysitter. She was about 16, right, and he was 7. And she would have been more of a friend, if he was basically a good kid living in a house with Danny & Carol.

2. It's not like Frankie is the only mother-figure in Jamie's life. He was old enough when his parents divorced to have formed plenty of memories of life with Carol. In addition, Jamie always called Frankie by her name, and not "mum."

3. Being that Frankie and Danny were happy for a long time, even if Jamie DID develop feelings for her, in a usual world it would be like fancying your best friend's mom - you might do it, but you would never think your dream would come true. So, you'd do as we saw Jamie trying to do - go out, meet girls, try to have a relationship with one of them.

4. Once Danny cheated on Frankie with Jamie's girlfriend Leann, the fabric of the family was totally ruptured.

5. Still, Jamie did try to make a new relationship - with Violet. There was also a lot of closeness developing between Frankie & Jamie as they comforted each other over the betrayal of their sig others.

Add in the not so distant involvement with Carol, and having her come & stay in the same house as Frankie & Jamie, and I can see how whatever "parent-child" ties between Frankie and Jamie, which had built over the years were diminished.

It was a process that took time, but I think now that because Frankie & Jamie began so long ago as baby-sitter and baby-sat, and not as someone introduced to the family as "Danny's new wife, your stepmother," which is in part the reason they found it easier to get to the point at which they now are.

As for the apparent change-around in Frankie being the more aggressive one, I think it's a result of acknowledging her true feelings, but still wanting to have the relationship with Danny to hide behind. Part of her wants revenge (sneaking around.) Jamie has always been more of a straight shooter and has for a long time wanted to tell Danny. I don't see him as having changed in any essential way. Once he admitted to Frankie how he felt, he wanted to tell Danny and get it out in the open. Or just leave together to start a new life elsewhere.

In summary, I don't find the storyline as icky as some of you guys. I realize it's because their relationship seems to me to be closer to one in which two friends develop romantic feelings for one another, changing a long-time friendship into something more, and at the same time risking losing that friendship if it doesn't work out. I know it isn't quite the same, but in my view, neither is it the same as one in which there was no contact or relationship other than "step-mother."

Westcoast fan said...

Great analysis, amai, and I take your point, but I still think the relationship between Jamie and Frankie would have been a very close mother/son one once Danny and Frankie got married. I don't think Jamie having known Frankie as his baby-sitter would have 'diluted' that relationship any more than if he had first knwon Frankie as his dad's girlfriend and perhaps would have diluted it even less because in the roles of both babysitter and mother (as opposed to dad's girlfriend) she is in the position of caregiver and nurturer.

Due to Carol's alcoholism Frankie was the primary mother-figure in Jamie's life and this would have been reinforced once Warren was born and she mothered both of them.

From Frankie's point of view, she's known Jamie since he was pre-pubescent and in a role she would have defined as motherly. Maybe I'm a prude, but when you've known someone 'intimately' (and I don't mean that in a sexual way, but in an emotional way) when they were a child and you were an adult, there just seems something a bit perverted about then forming a romantic and sexual relationship with them when they are grown. After all, weren't we all completely squicked when Woody Allen starting boinking Mia Farrow's adopted daughter, whom he had raised as well from childhood?

Part of this repulsion comes from the concern that the older person is abusing his or her position of power and may be forcing the relationship on the younger person. That's not an issue here because Jamie was the aggressor, but still it feels like Frankie is still the 'primary' adult in the relationship and should be saying 'no' (and meanining it). There's more to it as well and perhaps it's the simple fact that Frankie is his brother's mother, and his father's wife that makes it feel incestuous and wrong.

Anonymous said...

Let's just face it...they are pretty actors and it's kinda hot...
(tongue in cheek)



Anonymous said...

I have avoided the whole Frankie-Jamie thing but the Starweek TV listings have a small teaser this week which reads "A visitor throws Frankie into turmoil". Could it be Warren back from Spain for a quick fly past visit? Now THAT would add some spice to the whole sordid storyline.


S. Poole

Anonymous said...

It would, if we could ever figure out what the hell Warren was saying!


P.S. Great analyses of the plot. Interesting reading.

corrierules said...

Great analyses, amai and westcoast fan... I agree the family dynamic was torn apart once Danny played "hide the salami' with Leanne. Even so, I tend to agree with WCF..Frankie is the only mother figure Jamie has ever known; she is the one who behaved as a responsible adult during his formative years... his biological mother was nowhere to be found. It is a serious, deep-seated, long-held taboo -- there's a reason Oedipus blinded himself once he discovered he was sleeping with his Mom.
Even letchy, horndog Les had an innocent and loving relationship with his stepdaughter Toyah...he never viewed her in a way that was any way sexual (of course the wrath of Janice was a powerful deterrent!)He has never come on to Fizz. So Les --Les! -- behaved and behaves in way that was far more honorable than Frankie's behaviour. Think of it this way: when Les is providing the moral standard for a situation and you are not meeting it-- then Frankie baby, you have lost your way.

And yes I know, Jamie is the one who made a play for Frankie first, but Frankie is the adult and she should know better

howdi said...

What I don't get.

1. Why is Tracey playing at being a friend to Claire?

2. What was Vernon doing in the back of the Rovers in the dark with a flashlight?

3. What is Cilla up to? My theory was that she was trying to sell Fizz's scooter on E-Bay. I like the lump theory instead.

Anonymous said...

I think Tracy playing "friend" to Claire has something to do with payback to Charlie. I just haven't figured out what her game is exactly, unless she's trying to get an ali in Claire so that she can get the house and kick Charlie out legally somehow.

Regarding Cilla, I think when she went to the doctor for her consultation he told her some bad news.


Anonymous said...

The more I think, the more I believe it was bad news for Cilla at the doctors.

I also think Tracey is going to use poor gullible Claire in some way, perhaps in any legal proceedings to get the house, or to gain more sympathy on the street -- making it easy to run Charlie out of town but leaving his house behind.

Vernon with a flashlight I have no explanation for, except perhaps he was siphoning booze from something? Or he's back because he heard a rumor Fred buried cash in the backyard?

Trudy C said...

We can't forget that Frankie had an affair just before they moved north. Can't remember his name, however, he did come to Weatherfield and there was a showdown with Danny.

I think Tracey is maniplulating Clair to get an alli. There is no way she is going to let Charlie get away scott free. Not only because of his affair with Maria but also Shelley's baby.

Anonymous said...

Hah, too true, missusmac -- Warren speaks some strange southern dialect yet to be fully explained.

The speed and accent of Bradley Walsh can mess me up as do his Cockney rhymes. When Danny spilled tomato sauce on his shirt I still can't make out what was said, sounds like "Oh oh, normally it's you who spills the spag-pot(?) *garble* (meat sauce?) down 'is front, I'll have to change me shirt." I tried hitting the close caption button but it had a big fat INDECIPHERABLE smack dab in the middle, right after what sounded like spag-pot. It seems the person who transcribes the dialog was lost too.

Steve can leave me scratching my head and all, his delivery is sometimes so dry it takes a second listen to get his line.

Anonymous said...

It was probably 'spag-bol', short for spaghetti bolognese.

They call chili "chili con carne" too, which is what my mom used to call it.

When Danny's in a lather, I really have to listen hard. And still, mostly all I can ever make out is "sunshine" and "Roight?".


Westcoast fan said...

When I first started watching Corrie it took me about a month before I could accurately decipher what they were saying. I can usually understand Danny without much trouble. Fizz and Kelly give me some grief from time to time, though. Warren is impossible, I'll be putting the captions on if he ever returns to the Street.

Anonymous said...

I'm glad it's not just me! I thought perhaps Canadians took a class in English dialects at school...

Danny can give me a hard time, and if I hadn't known about Cockney rhyming slang I would have been in huge trouble.

I can also have a hard time with Kelly.

But to me, Rosie's the worst - I've pretty much given up all hope of ever getting what she's saying. I just take comfort in the understanding that she's a teen, so she's ticked off about SOMETHING.

Michigander Fan

Anonymous said...

Oh. Also, the subtitles thing - I have been known to turn on subtitles, especially if I'm watching, say, an Inspector Frost-type DVD from Netflix. Some of the supporting actors can be really hard to grasp, and I figure I might learn new turns of phrase (language is very interesting to me).

But what I've discovered is that often, the people who do the captioning have no clue either. Besides my ever-favorite "unintelligible" caption, I will notice definite typos - the one that is coming to mind is
"...on the I Street." What they mean is the "High Street" which I take to mean the main drag of the town. I know that's what they are saying because I have encountered the phrase in British books. But it's a mystery to the captioners, and therefore, it doesn't get translated right.

So, beware!

Michigander Fan

Jacqueline said...

The Queen of Unintelligable was Raquel.

Seriously, I usually don't have a problem (with the exception of when the Cockneys get worked up)....but Raquel - I still have no idea what she said during her years on the street.

Remind me never to go to Lancashire.

Anonymous said...

Michigander Fan - High Street is indeed the main drag in most towns in the UK. They're literally called "High Street," same as Main Street over here.

I sometimes have trouble understanding Ashley and Yana. Ken, Sally, and Gail seem to make an effort to smooth over their regionalisms. In fact, I'd say there is a divide on the street when it comes to accents and dialects. Those who are slightly more posh (or wish they were) are easier to understand than the more working class types like Kirk and Tyrone.

(I always found the show funny in that you have multigenerational families all living on the same street, and yet they all speak with accents from all over England.)

The Northern accent thing almost prevented the show from getting on the air in the first. Bosses at ITV told the creators of the show that the accent was a joke and viewers want to hear people speak "properly" on the telly.

Jacqueline said...

Or we could all just learn their language.

Anonymous said...

D'oh - not Rosie, SOPHIE!

The ignored daughter, who, if she were real, would be royally put out that I confused her with her older, more popular sister.

I agree about Yana. I don't usually get Ashley either, but I thought that was because he's always whining, and I'm programmed to tune out whining.

Michigander Fan

Anonymous said...

BTW, I remember reading somewhere that the "correct" (as in standard, used on television) accent here in the USA is the midwestern accent, which means I speak perfectly for an American, unlike those crazy people from Boston and New York (to say nothing of people from down south!)

Which is kind of funny, since New York is our biggest city - if London is standard for England, then you'd think NYC would be standard for the States... but thank God - can you imagine 300 million people, all sounding like The Nanny?!?!

What's considered "standard" in Canada? (And don't tell me Newfie, because I'm not that gullible!)

Michigander Fan

Anonymous said...

Standard in Canada = CBC's The National anchor Peter Mansbridge, who speaks with a flat, Manitoban non-accent.

The Canadian accent is almost a non-accented accent, even if there are regional variations (see This Hour has 22 Minutes, Degrassi: The Next Generation to compare and contrast).

Jacqueline said...

I was told this weekend that I have a touch of 'Fargo' who the hell knows.

I think the standard canadian accent is the Peter Mansbridge accent. - If there has to be one.

But I'm in Toronto where nine times out of ten English is a second language, so there doesn't seem to any standard accent that I can here.

Jacqueline said...

LOL - Can I just clarify that I posted my post at the same time as John did.

So there you go...TWO Corrie Canucks came up with the Peter Mansbridge accent as the definitive Canadian accent.

It must be true.

Anonymous said...

It's only true if it appears in the Globe and Mail style section and Karen von Hahn notes that it is indeed, not only true, but "fabulous."

Jacqueline said...

I need to send her a pic of my new party shoes and see if I can get them certified fabulous.

Debbie said...

I love Peter Mansbridge. I was hoping to get into a "perfect storm" situation with him and Ian Hanomansing.

Jacqueline said...

oh Ian...Ian! Ian!!!

How many nights did I spend thinking of being addressed as Mrs. Glacia Hannomansing.

AMAI said...

Hi guys,
Thanks for your feedback. For my rebuttal the only thing I'll reiterate is that Frankie isn't the only mother figure Jamie's ever known. Although she was the MAIN one, Carol was there up to 7 years, and then Jamie made the effort to seek her out and try to help her get off the booze. That whole sequence served, among other things, to subtly alter once again the relationship between Jamie & Frankie.

Plus, she's always so bubbly and upbeat with the kids, that it's more like she's their friend than their mum.

Anyway - we all have different takes, and I appreciate the civil way in which you guys expressed disagreement.

About Claire: I think Tracey is building up an alibi of sorts, someone who can vouch for Tracey being "abused." We're seeing the different stories - the one she tells Charlie and the one she tells Claire, but at the end of the day, when Charlie's dead, only the version Claire knows will be brought into court.

I don't have a problem with the accents, but both parents were Londoners, and I spent a year there myself. It helps with sorting out the accents!!

Westcoast fan said...

I can certainly hear the difference between a Canadian accent and an American one. I think our speech is much more clipped than the Americans'. Even the news broadcasters in Washington State seem to have a drawl.

I agree Peter Mansbridge likely sets the standard. Rick Mercer has an obvious Newfie accent. Sometimes I think people from the West coast seem to talk faster and have more clipped speech than you folk 'back east' (take note, anyone east of the Rockies is 'back east').

Westcoast fan said...

Whoops, amai, there's a definite spoiler in your post! I don't know how many folk are aware of the unfolding Charlie/Tracy plotline, but maybe it should be removed (I saw that spoiler accidentally on YouTube months ago, much to my regret).

BTW, I have very much enjoyed our little debate!

Anonymous said...

Ah, spag-bol, brilliant! Thanks missusmac, I should have been able to suss that one out. (that was me with the spag-pot post, forgot to sign it, I really need to create a blogger profile)

Like a few others mentioned, I have trouble with Sophie too, scenes with her and Rosie talking fast are especially hard. Reg Holdsworth was hard to decipher when he was wound up, which was pretty much 90% of the time. I bet the captioners of the day had a few "unintelligible" tags pop up in the old days.

Agree on Peter Mansbridge having the quintessential Canadian accent, his predecessor Knowlton Nash enunciated his words a little too much for a real Canadian accent. Love the way Rick Mercer rolls his 'R's as in Stephen Harrper.

The Baldwins have been quite a pair, Danny bedded Sunita five minutes after he arrived on the street and Frankie had a fling with his ex partner not long before that. Remember Jamie pounding the guy? Makes the present storyline easier to understand, if that is possible at this point.

Great thread BTW, enjoying every bit of it.


lowly Toronto Star subscriber,

S. Poole

Anonymous said...

Hmmm. So it's not Toronto in Canada any more than it's New York in the States. Interesting. I wonder why that is. (Yes. I am this much of a dork.)

I can almost always spot a Canadian accent, even in Detroit/Windsor, where there's a certain amount of "seepage" back and forth. But the vowels will out (or oot, as the case may be). Plus there's the whole "eh" thing, although I catch myself saying eh, usually when I've been in Ontario, or hanging around with Canadians.

See, Mansbridge and Hanomansing both have what I would call the Can-erican TV Newsdude accent - you know, like Brokaw and Rather and Peter Jennings. You tell most people Jennings was Canadian and they don't believe you. They could really be either. It's interesting, because there are obvious regional distinctions in both countries (from the Newfie accent I've learned to love to Loretta Lynn's Kentucky twang), but, considering how huge the land mass is that encompasses the US and Canada, we don't have as much differential as they seem to in the UK.

Yes, this is a weird conversation, and has nothing really to do with the show. Sorry.

Michigander Fan

Anonymous said...

Sophie is, in my ears anyway, the worst to decipher. I usually have to go to the site to figure her out.

Pity, because what she says is always quite bitter and/or witty.

In the Atlantic provinces we have two voices -- our regional ones, which are quite fast, thick and an old school Irish/English accent readily apparent on weekends when we're drinking. (Fast Newfoundland is the worst to decipher, but some Cape Breton and PEI rural accents take me awhile too.)

On weekdays, we use Peter Mansbridge flat tones in the office and for board meetings.

~missusmac, whose professional accent is very different from her I'm-on-the-gin personal accent.